Well, the two and a half marker has come and gone. I took kid measurements on almost the right day and am posting in the right month. Maybe I get some sort of honorable mention mommy award?
Both kids are just over 39 inches tall and 42 pounds. They wear mostly 5T clothes. The sleeves are a little long in some shirts and the pants often need to be cuffed, but nothing smaller will fit their shoulders/ribs/hips. It truly amazes me how close in size these two continue to be. Oh, and they're potty trained! Well, at least potty trained enough that our diapering budget has been GREATLY reduced. And I'm becoming familiar with the location of every public restroom in every building we frequent.
Two and a half year olds are pretty hilarious, when they're not encouraging your hair to turn white (let's not look too closely at the hair at my temples) or making you foam at the mouth.
These kids love to sing, including theme songs to their favorite tv shows. We often sing a parody of a Cat in the Hat song at lunchtime: "Trees, trees, glorious trees" becomes "cheese, cheese, glorious cheese". Cora gave it her own twist today and came waltzing out of the master closet singing "shoes, shoes, glorious shoes" - two pairs of high heels completed her ensemble.
Mac's memory is incredible. He's started giving me directions to stores when we're out driving. Including stores he's only been to once before. Conversation with him can be somewhat a nightmare, due to his memory and random associations. He spent a good five minutes the other day detailing a whole list of things he wanted to see. I eventually realized he was describing the posters in the story room at the library - we haven't been there in over a month.
He and Cora were pretending to be doctors the other day when Mac announced, "I'm Doctor B____!" I racked my brain, furiously going over the list of all tv doctors I could think trying to decide where this name came from. And then I realized that's the name of his actual pediatrician. Whom he's seen twice since we moved here in June.
We love the Brother Francis videos at our house. Santa put "Let's Pray" and "The Eucharist" in the kids' stockings. Not only do we now hear the Our Father sung day in and day out while the kids play, but they're reenacting scenes from the movies, especially the saint portrayals. "Blessed Imelda wasn't big enough to receive Jesus. I'm not either." Holding up a sandwich a lunch, "This is the Lamb of God, the Eucharist". They'll often use Cora's tea set as a set of chalices, patens, and ciborium and set up the microwave in their kitchen as a tabernacle. It's not unusual to see one or both of them kneeling in front of their kitchen, "I'm praying like Blessed Imelda!"
Books come to life regularly. I love listening to them read books to themselves. Where the Wild Things Are and Going on a Bear Hunt are current favorites. Oh, and Tikki Tikki Tembo (ever read that book? Can you still recite the older brother's name? Passing on a legacy here - first my siblings and I could say his name, now my kids can rattle it off - Tikki tikki tembo-no sa rembo-chari bari ruchi-pip peri pembo!)
And then there are the bikes.
Cora and Mac each received a balance bike for Christmas. And they LOVE them. As long as the bikes stay clean, they can even ride them inside. These aren't just any ordinary bikes, though, they double as motorcycles. Routinely, the kids will put on their "Army clothes" and back their "motorcycles" down the driveway. They'll ride madly to some other driveway and then stop and "exercise". Then they come back to "take a shower" and then they get back on their "motorcycles" and ride to their "offices". And then it's time for a lunch break and off they zoom to a "restaurant". Any guesses who they're imitating?
Two and a half is exhausting, exhilarating, and hilarious. Sometimes I feel like I need a coffee iv put in. Other times I feel I need to just sit back and watch the circus perform. And every day I thank God for the joy these two bring to my life.
Thursday, January 31, 2013
Tuesday, January 22, 2013
And a step backwards. Or sideways, perhaps.
So remember how I just posted all glowingly about clinic two and how easy it was to make a choice between the two clinics we interviewed?
We have to go with clinic one now.
For some reason, clinic two more than doubles their frozen embryo transfer (FET) fees if you are using donor embryos. Not that I have extensive knowledge on the topic, but no other clinic that I have talked to doubles their fees for donor FETs. The best price they could give me was around $4500.
In comparison, clinic one's estimated fees came back at under $2000 with our military discount. After the kerfluffle with clinic two, I'm in the process of verifying that clinic one's fee estimate is indeed accurate for us. But still. A $2500 difference?!?
In other news, tomorrow I have a phone interview with the matching coordinator of the Snowflake Program. I hopefully will also get to ask more about that possible match and about the scholarship (both mentioned last post). Perhaps I'll find out if we'll even be eligible for the scholarship...
We have to go with clinic one now.
For some reason, clinic two more than doubles their frozen embryo transfer (FET) fees if you are using donor embryos. Not that I have extensive knowledge on the topic, but no other clinic that I have talked to doubles their fees for donor FETs. The best price they could give me was around $4500.
In comparison, clinic one's estimated fees came back at under $2000 with our military discount. After the kerfluffle with clinic two, I'm in the process of verifying that clinic one's fee estimate is indeed accurate for us. But still. A $2500 difference?!?
In other news, tomorrow I have a phone interview with the matching coordinator of the Snowflake Program. I hopefully will also get to ask more about that possible match and about the scholarship (both mentioned last post). Perhaps I'll find out if we'll even be eligible for the scholarship...
Sunday, January 20, 2013
Forward motion!
On Friday, we successfully navigated one of the many hurdles on this route to embryo adoption. Grandma came up to watch the kids while hubby and I went down to Austin to interview two clinics. And we chose one!
Even with military discounts for the initial consults, we still had to shell out big bucks just to talk with the doctors. We talked to the first clinic for maybe a half hour - full price, we would have had to pay over $400. Can you believe it? And all we did was talk, no exams or bloodwork or anything.
I think both clinics would have been competent in their handling of the embryos and of our future embryo transfer(s). They have some differences in their methodology, but both cite extensive studies/years of success to back their practices.
Clinic one was eventually eliminated for a number of reasons. 1. The clinic itself gave off a very pretentious vibe. 2. They publically advertise their services to those seeking "alternative parenting options". 3. The doctor was impersonal and somewhat cocky. 4. The doctor insinuated that she would not have allowed us to transfer all our embryos last time (Cora and Mac were two of three blastocysts) as she doesn't transfer more than two blasts, thereby forcing us into the position of having to refreeze an embryo. The latter is something we're going to great lengths to avoid.
Clinic two is a smaller family run operation. I originally cancelled our appointment here because their embryo transfer program would have just been too expensive for us. They called me back and said they would meet or beat their competitor's prices. And, while I don't have a complete price list yet, they have followed through on their word thus far. The doctor was very personable and genuine and made sure to answer all our questions, regardless how far past closing time we kept him.
In the end, the decision was very easy. We were dissatisfied with clinic one when we walked out the door and felt no hesitations whatsoever when we walked out of clinic two.
Choosing a clinic was our last step before entering the matching stage with the Snowflake Program. Next, I'll have a phone interview with one of their social workers to determine our specific matching criteria. I imagine we'll be "matchable" by the end of January and have been matched by the end of February. Our contracts can't be formally executed until we submit our next big payment (please, tax refund, cover these costs!!) but we've historically been matched very quickly, so February isn't an unreasonable estimate.
I've mentioned before that the Snowflake Program lists what they call their "Waiting Embryos" online. These are embryos that are a bit harder to place, due to genetic disease, small number of embryos, etc. Families adopting embryos from this list are eligible to apply for the Babushka fund, with awards ranging from $2000 to $5000.
I've often "fallen in love" or at least "fallen in interest" with sets of embryos on this page, only to have Bryan shake his head wryly at me. Yesterday, I discovered a new listing, a set of embryos that we both are interested in. Providential timing?? Based on the limited information posted publically, "Timothy and Cathleen" provide a promising match. And, of course, there's the added incentive of a scholarship (if we qualify).
This past week I was really struggling with a sense of hopelessness, that we'd never find the funds, that we'd hate both clinics, that things just wouldn't work out. Thankfully, God took mercy on me and took the time to pat me on the back and say, "Chin up, kid."
I still don't have the foggiest idea what our family will end up looking like, or where we'll get all the funding, but I feel like things are looking up!
Even with military discounts for the initial consults, we still had to shell out big bucks just to talk with the doctors. We talked to the first clinic for maybe a half hour - full price, we would have had to pay over $400. Can you believe it? And all we did was talk, no exams or bloodwork or anything.
I think both clinics would have been competent in their handling of the embryos and of our future embryo transfer(s). They have some differences in their methodology, but both cite extensive studies/years of success to back their practices.
Clinic one was eventually eliminated for a number of reasons. 1. The clinic itself gave off a very pretentious vibe. 2. They publically advertise their services to those seeking "alternative parenting options". 3. The doctor was impersonal and somewhat cocky. 4. The doctor insinuated that she would not have allowed us to transfer all our embryos last time (Cora and Mac were two of three blastocysts) as she doesn't transfer more than two blasts, thereby forcing us into the position of having to refreeze an embryo. The latter is something we're going to great lengths to avoid.
Clinic two is a smaller family run operation. I originally cancelled our appointment here because their embryo transfer program would have just been too expensive for us. They called me back and said they would meet or beat their competitor's prices. And, while I don't have a complete price list yet, they have followed through on their word thus far. The doctor was very personable and genuine and made sure to answer all our questions, regardless how far past closing time we kept him.
In the end, the decision was very easy. We were dissatisfied with clinic one when we walked out the door and felt no hesitations whatsoever when we walked out of clinic two.
Choosing a clinic was our last step before entering the matching stage with the Snowflake Program. Next, I'll have a phone interview with one of their social workers to determine our specific matching criteria. I imagine we'll be "matchable" by the end of January and have been matched by the end of February. Our contracts can't be formally executed until we submit our next big payment (please, tax refund, cover these costs!!) but we've historically been matched very quickly, so February isn't an unreasonable estimate.
I've mentioned before that the Snowflake Program lists what they call their "Waiting Embryos" online. These are embryos that are a bit harder to place, due to genetic disease, small number of embryos, etc. Families adopting embryos from this list are eligible to apply for the Babushka fund, with awards ranging from $2000 to $5000.
I've often "fallen in love" or at least "fallen in interest" with sets of embryos on this page, only to have Bryan shake his head wryly at me. Yesterday, I discovered a new listing, a set of embryos that we both are interested in. Providential timing?? Based on the limited information posted publically, "Timothy and Cathleen" provide a promising match. And, of course, there's the added incentive of a scholarship (if we qualify).
This past week I was really struggling with a sense of hopelessness, that we'd never find the funds, that we'd hate both clinics, that things just wouldn't work out. Thankfully, God took mercy on me and took the time to pat me on the back and say, "Chin up, kid."
I still don't have the foggiest idea what our family will end up looking like, or where we'll get all the funding, but I feel like things are looking up!
Monday, January 7, 2013
Money, blah blah yuck
Money is the worst part of adoption. I read somewhere, that if it weren't for the money issue, there would be lines of people trying to adopt. And yet, in most cases, there are far more children/embryos waiting than available adoptive families.
I get that the economy has tanked in the four years since we last went through this process. Side note, can you believe that it's been four years?! We had just entered into the matching process with the Snowflake Program around Christmas 2008... I am finding that fertility clinic costs have gone way up. Thank goodness the Snowflake Program is the same price (actually $500 cheaper for us, as repeat customers) and our home study was much cheaper this time with our current local agency.
There doesn't seem to be too much consistency from clinic to clinic. Pricing, number of required clinic visits, medical protocol, the list of variables goes on.
I finally called and scheduled initial consults at the two clinics in the Austin area that will take embryos from another clinic. I haven't even walked through the doors to the clinics and already I'm being hit over the head with numbers. Am I delusional in thinking our initial consult in 2009 was free?
Isn't an initial consult a time for you to meet with the doctors, they sell you their schpiel, and, in general try to buy your business? Why am I already having to shell out money? $265 at one place and, after a 50% military discount, $167.5 at the next place all for initial consults.
I can't get straight answers from the clinics over the phone. I can't accurately compare prices, number of required visits (remember we're coming from approximately 1.5 hours away), and medical protocol. All this means I have to schedule these initial consults to determine between these two clinics.
Money
Money
Money
I hate you,
you stink.
I promise, I will really try to not use this blog just for ranting. Look, I'll even end on a bright side - I finished our matching family profile. Wrote the whole thing on one weekend! Granted, I did cheat a little. I found our old profile from four years ago and salvaged what I could. I sure sounded young and idealistic in 2008. Not that I'm insinuating that I'm old and bitter now, just that I've grown a lot in the last few years... I'm not as concerned that every single written phrase on our adoptive paperwork be precisely perfect, because I'm not precisely perfect. This time 'round, I'd rather our paperwork be an accurate reflection of me/us, not an uber polished version where the gleam conceals my humanity.
I get that the economy has tanked in the four years since we last went through this process. Side note, can you believe that it's been four years?! We had just entered into the matching process with the Snowflake Program around Christmas 2008... I am finding that fertility clinic costs have gone way up. Thank goodness the Snowflake Program is the same price (actually $500 cheaper for us, as repeat customers) and our home study was much cheaper this time with our current local agency.
There doesn't seem to be too much consistency from clinic to clinic. Pricing, number of required clinic visits, medical protocol, the list of variables goes on.
I finally called and scheduled initial consults at the two clinics in the Austin area that will take embryos from another clinic. I haven't even walked through the doors to the clinics and already I'm being hit over the head with numbers. Am I delusional in thinking our initial consult in 2009 was free?
Isn't an initial consult a time for you to meet with the doctors, they sell you their schpiel, and, in general try to buy your business? Why am I already having to shell out money? $265 at one place and, after a 50% military discount, $167.5 at the next place all for initial consults.
I can't get straight answers from the clinics over the phone. I can't accurately compare prices, number of required visits (remember we're coming from approximately 1.5 hours away), and medical protocol. All this means I have to schedule these initial consults to determine between these two clinics.
Money
Money
Money
I hate you,
you stink.
I promise, I will really try to not use this blog just for ranting. Look, I'll even end on a bright side - I finished our matching family profile. Wrote the whole thing on one weekend! Granted, I did cheat a little. I found our old profile from four years ago and salvaged what I could. I sure sounded young and idealistic in 2008. Not that I'm insinuating that I'm old and bitter now, just that I've grown a lot in the last few years... I'm not as concerned that every single written phrase on our adoptive paperwork be precisely perfect, because I'm not precisely perfect. This time 'round, I'd rather our paperwork be an accurate reflection of me/us, not an uber polished version where the gleam conceals my humanity.
Sunday, January 6, 2013
Christmas Greetings
Better late than never, right? Merry Christmas, from our house to yours! And, since I'm extremely tardy in my holiday greetings... Happy New Year! I think I have only successfully dated a single item since we started 2013. Good thing I've got another 350+ days to practice. Oh, and happy Feast of the Epiphany! In the words of the kids, the kings are here!
I'll leave you with my favorite picture. Raspberries!
Wednesday, December 5, 2012
Discernment and Patience
I, like most people, struggle with maintaining control over
my life. With infertility as a constant
companion in our marriage, I have had to at least revise a lot of my ideas
towards family size. Our desires to grow
our family are largely regulated by our finances, military life
(deployments/moves), and paperwork.
I want to control this current adoption process. I want to
drive things forward at MY pace. And yet
my hands are tied by, among other things, money. No matter how fast I send in paperwork, no
matter how quickly we compile our personal narratives, we just don’t have the
money to move many steps ahead in the process.
My advent prayers, specifically the St. Andrew Christmas
Prayers, are requesting adoption discernment and financial assistance, and
patience. I hate praying for patience
because virtues are learned through practice.
And my practice generally consists of my succumbing to impatience.
We’ve submitted our Snowflake Embryo Adoption application –
mailed it yesterday. And then I found
out our coordinator is out of town for another week plus. Perhaps my prayers for patience are already
working since my first thought was a charitable “good for C.; she deserves a
vacation!” and not the typical self-centered “rats! Now that’s additional time
that I’m forced to wait before our file will even be considered.” See, I am maturing, a little at a time.
I’m really very interested in a set of waiting embryos
described online ("Joseph and Irina") but I’m not sure my motives are entirely pure (hence the
prayers for discernment). It’s a set of
nine embryos which is higher number than we’d like. We’d love enough embryos for a sibling
transfer (meaning a transfer this spring and then enough embryos remaining for
another transfer down the road). This
particular set of nine would entail four embryo transfers. That’s a huge emotional, financial, and
physical commitment.
Nine embryos would also very likely spell the end of our
adoption journey. We would not need/want
to adopt again.* And, to be perfectly
honest, that’s a bittersweet thought. As
much as I hate the paper-pushing and the financial requirements (and the
endless waiting), I do love the element of surprise with adoption. I have a growing, though perhaps unrealistic,
interest in foster-to-adopt programs.
Adopting a set of nine embryos would definitively close that door.
Nightlight offers an adoption scholarship to qualified
families for some sets of embryos (those considered harder to adopt). This particular set of embryos meets those
criteria. Let’s be honest here, the idea
of a financial scholarship is likely clouding my judgment.
Bryan says no, nine is too many.
I say financial scholarship!
Bryan says no, nine is too many.
I say no more home studies!
Bryan says no, nine is too many.
I say all our future children will be genetically related!
Bryan says…
You get the idea.
So I pray for discernment, that my motives be pure. I pray for financial blessings, that our tax
return be prompt and contain what we need to cover our adoption expenses (or
more!). I pray, though I hate to do so,
for patience. Because we all know I need it.
*I've elaborated previously on the potential perks of adopting a larger group of embryos. Look about halfway down, starting a few paragraphs above the bullet points.
Saturday, October 27, 2012
Fee Comparisons
I've been having a discussion with Leah over at Ignitum Today on her essay "Embryo Adoption: Is it OK?" My responses got a little long and I thought I'd bring them over here for greater ease in posting.
IVF costs an average of $13,000.
Prices will vary by clinic and by location, but this seems to be a reasonable
average. That 13k does not include
medications, ICSI, freezing, or the possible use of gamete donors. While the latter three are not necessary per
IVF cycle, medications are. Without
insurance, medications for one IVF cycle run anywhere from $2000 to $5000. Some insurance companies will cover the
medications, but it seems most people pay out of pocket for all these
procedures and medications. At any
rate, I’d say a potential IVF couple is looking at a minimum of $15,000 for one
IVF cycle.
As I mentioned in my previous blog links, one may acquire (for
lack of a better word) a set of embryos through a variety of avenues. (A set could be anywhere from a single embryo
to twenty, two to four is the average.) There
is a wide range of services available and a similarly wide range of
prices. The Embryo Adoption Awareness Center has a webpage that provides a matrix of some of the available
agencies that describe themselves as offering embryo adoption services.
Nightlight Christian Adoption Agency is an adoption agency that
does international, domestic, and embryo adoption (they are the pioneers of
embryo adoption in the United States). Nightlight’s
Snowflake Adoption Program costs $8000.
Adoptive parents need a home study, which will cost anywhere from
$1000-$4000. There are frozen embryo
transfer (FET) fees which run from $2500 - $5000 depending on the clinic. Plus there are the medications needed for the
transfer, which are normally covered by insurance. Nightlight’s grand total, when one includes the estimated FET fees, is a minimum of
$11,500
The National Embryo Donation Center (NEDC) is a Christian fertility
clinic in Knoxville. They offer both matching
services and the FET on location, but require the adoptive couple to travel to
Knoxville twice. Their fees (include the
matching and FET) start at $5022. A home
study is necessary from an outside source, so add another $1000 - $4000. Plus add the price for two trips to Knoxville
($250 - $1500) and all required medications.
NEDC’s grand total is, at minimum, $6,272. Note: In the past, NEDC has partnered with Bethany
Christian Services for home studies.
Bethany’s home study, available in many states, costs about $3500. This would bring the total to a minimum of
$8772. Also important to note is that if one desires an open or semi-open adoption through NEDC, there is an additional fee increase.
The Embryo Adoption Services of Cedar Park (EASCP) is essentially
a smaller version of Nightlight’s Snowflake Program. This program does offer an in-house option for a homestudy. Total program fees including the homestudy are $6575. EASCP's adoption services alone are $5175. Additional fees include the FET
for $2500 - $5000 and medications. EASCP’s
grand total, when one includes the estimated FET fees, is a minimum of $9075.
Miracles Waiting (MW) is rather like a confidential classified
advertisement service for both families donating embryos and those families
wanting to acquire embryos. It costs
$500 to sign up for the service. No home
study is needed. The FET is $2500 -
$5000 plus medications. MW’s grand total
is, at minimum, $3000.
Many fertility clinics have donor embryo programs. This is very similar to their other donor
programs (flip through a book to find anonymous donors with ideal characteristics). No home study is needed, though some clinics
do require counseling if donors are used.
I don’t believe there is any charge for the embryo matching services, so
the only fees would be the FET and medications.
Grand total is, at minimum, $2500.
The United States Bishops in “LifeGiving Love in an Age of Technology” state that the use of egg,
sperm, and embryo donors violates the integrity of the marital act (p.5). Embryo adoption (p. 12) is referred to as
distinctly separate concept from embryo donation yet is still referred to as a
source of serious moral concerns. While
no hard and fast definitions of embryo donation and embryo adoption have been
provided by the Church, it’s clear that one is in the “no-go” category while
the other is in the “proceed only with extreme caution” category. In my mind, working strictly with a fertility
clinic and using their leftover embryos counts as embryo donation. On the reverse end, working with one of the
embryo adoption agencies in existence (like Nightlight, Cedar Park, and NEDC)
seems to count as embryo adoption. I’m
not entirely sure how matching forums like Miracles Waiting and Embryos Alive (not
profiled above because I couldn’t find pricing info) would be described. Personally I think they fall more towards the
“embryo donation” range of things.
Miracles Waiting is doing everything required by law –
embryos are “property” so the exchange between donors/recipients is practiced
as an exchange of goods while being mindful of state specific human tissue
laws.
As a Catholic, however, one must do everything within one’s
power to treat said embryos in a way that reflects their full human
dignity. Which means to go beyond the
legal mandates. Beyond to what? Well, that’s where one can reasonably
disagree. I would argue, though, that as
much as possible normal adoptive steps should be followed. These steps allow not only for the proper
disposition/handling of the embryos, but also for the education of both placing
and receiving couples on the necessary roles within an adoptive setting.
What is the easiest route is not always the best route to
take, especially in such a hotly contested grey area of Church bioethics. The extra mile must be traversed. This does not mean the most expensive is
best, just that all options must be weighed equally. One must look beyond the attraction of a
cheap price.
In general, there are many benefits an agency can provide
that other matching sources cannot.
·
Agencies provide detailed background information
on the genetic parents, regardless of the openness of the match (Nightlight
specifically provides three generations of family medical history plus pictures
and a written family profile).
·
Agencies demand accountability for each embryo
with strict stipulations – no selective reductions; some say no surrogates;
only thaw what you are prepared to carry – thus honoring the dignity/health of
both embryos and adoptive mother.
·
Agencies exist as a mediator between placing and
adoptive parents. This mediation is
available beyond the match. Nightlight,
for example, will mediate communication at least until any resulting children
are eighteen years old.
·
Agency adoptions have a set contract that all
placing/adoptive parents use. The
language in the contract is modeled off of existing infant adoptions (as
applicable) which further protects both parties.
·
Agencies act as intermediaries between adoptive
parents and the fertility clinic. All
clinics require contracts. All contracts
will ask something along the lines of what happens to the embryos in the event
of a disaster. Our specific contract
provided limited options – destroy embryos or donate to science. Both are morally unacceptable. Working with an agency allows one to
designate a moral option – return the embryos back to the agency’s supervision.
The long and short of it is IVF is more expensive than
embryo adoption and embryo donation.
Some forms of EA/ED can be very affordable. However, for a Catholic, I’d argue that not
all available forms are acceptable.
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